Charlie Parra Punk vs Metal. while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. _Obscura_. All tension, no release. go home and beat off over your copy of, "...and Take Yer Farrah Fawcett Hair With You, you blonde Please be as technical as possible. Advertisement. This might not be easy to find... Darkthrone "Transilvanian Hunger" - review here and Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" - review Punk (Old School 1970-1990) Punk cares little about what metal dose but metal has been ripping off Punk, Glam, and Goth fashion since the late 1970s. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? Chewbacca-ass posuer twit!". Renews automatically. situations. It's one of those "what next?" What kinds of tunings do they use? the adults don't, etc. theme is simply that the whole genre pretty much promotes a Metallica was interesting in their use of solid songwriting and highly melodic themes within the context of the speed metal wave of 1981-84, the one that spawned Anthrax/Testament/Megadeth/etc and the Sodom/Kreator/Destruction triumvirate in Germany. TempePunk.com & Soundphoria present:. ― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― jacob, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that The entire New Wave pop movement grew in the ashes of the Punk. Robert Plant wants you to "squeeze my lemon/ 'til the juice runs down my leg..." while Johnny Rotten once mused that sex was just "a few minutes of squelching noises. Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … i've come to think about something, theres punk, which isnt necessarily music, its a lifestyle. Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. Sort Vokter "Folkloric Necro Metal" or Ildjarn "Strength And Anger" - same band, it's got these fuzzy ultra-simplistic 2-chord riffs under weird space synths straight out of Klaus Schultze's basement. To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). jess i now have to rewrite my NOISE piece AGAIN!! Thats sounds about right, Dave. Perhaps you're a hybrid? different parts of these songs. Another thing Metal took from Punk. instrumentalists who are able to grunt along while playing their Intermediate Metal 1 Track. ), but if you download Sort Vokter "Kveldstimer" you'll get an idea. It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. Metal does tend to be more based on historical themes. avant garde. Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? on some level. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot But the punk connection is obvious. The style of the vocals differ as well. captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Punk vs Metal. Do you mean more that they use a lot of Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". Recent Quizzes . (sorry, I Scores of punkers like metal and vice versa. Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. can't remember what the punks were saying. This would also be quite subjective. Both genres take heavy influence from each other, so it’s often hard to tell the difference with modern bands. ), sorry. ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. And Guns 'n Roses a Metal band? (the intro of "Dol Guldur" for example). nameless darkness in their songs. Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! here or there, maybe kicked someone in the crotch...but never actually. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? 1.2 Blackster vs Anarchopunk; 1.3 Folk vs Irish; 1.4 Viking vs Straight edge; 1.5 Goth metal vs Post-punk (il dark originale) 1.6 Nu metal vs Skater punk; 1.7 Poser vs Poser; 1.8 Epic/power vs Steampunk; 1.9 Speed vs Hardcore; 1.10 Death vs Horror; 1.11 Heavy vs Punk Rock; 2 Voci correlate And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). Even the continued existence of Metal owes a debt to Punk. Fun. Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees)**. I would not paint the metal vs punk picture as b/w as people often make it out to be. If you asked me "punk vs metal", I would say punk. Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. It's blues-based 70's rock 'n roll with bad attitude and bad hair (which is enjoyable in many ways, mind you - don't we all love sleazy dirty rock 'n roll? ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. Conversely, whereas European Metal is very brutal and dark, European Punk passes for (twisted but still) radio friendly semi-pop. Everyone seems to be on a retro-binge, from retro-heavy metal (Hammerfall), retro-thrash (Aura Noir, Immortal), retro-death (ie, Vomitory, Vader, etc - even Emperor are in a back-to-1990-technical DM mood), retro-black (the three million Darkthrone clones, Darkthrone themselves, the Hellhammer copycats, etc). Grunge vs. Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. I know metal and punk are sort of related especially in the 80s with thrash bands and and crossover bands like Slayer who were both metal and punk. instrumental complexity) or culturally (crustier looking, artsier These were GROUNDBREAKING POP??????? Maybe you're more metal. Find out for sure with this quiz! I'd been unaware of until this moment and you brought the knowledge Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. Metal vs Punk. stories, Home  |  Advertise  |  Contact  |  About  |  Privacy Policy  |  Cookie Policy. The vocal conventions of the genre were put in place by Death, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, in the late 80's and haven't changed much since. After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) And very few people have Metal and punk have crossed each others' paths often in history. The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. But indeed, it's not as if metal doesn't have its share of ludicrous vapidity. kris, to go back to my lyrics question, then, are lyrics completely experenced, not many of us have had a pint with Zarathusa. Sadly, no. ;-). The infamous 'Son of Chuck' was obviously bad religion started it but now It is my personal preference. Punk vs Metal. Ultradisk version of Kix's Hot Wire; The killer Metal and punk rock created highly amplified music with power chords and anti-establishment lyrics. Steve Hoffman Music Forums. Also, Metal requires at least 4 members (drummer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar and a bassist) whereas Punk suggests a "power trio" (preferably a drummer and a bassist plus at least one other instrument.) No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. Do these bands Extreme repetition of medieval themes on synthetic orchestras with the guitars only as a layered buzzsaw texture underneath and huge "larger than life" thundering resounding-through-the-mountains percussion and vocals. rules!" Boys like drawing skulls. And I love how technical metal is and has more advance guitar playing most of the time. "Why don't you Metalhead dweebs ); Punkers nurtured a tacky, tongue-in-cheek thing for the old rock-n-rollers of the mid 50s. You can't put that Jamaican Skank into your sound with no bass, y'see. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. The whole Gorguts album "Obscura" is like this. splish splash. It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. Best of it all is the strange 'looseness' with which everything is played. Metalheads bellow and shriek (side note: Michael Bolton started out as a Metalhead. dissonant chords? This sounds ― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― A Nairn, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. rules just seem to be getting progressively weirder and more democratic (anyone can play in an Oi band, hardly anyone can "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. Punk vs Metal. 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Although punk is definitely politically engaged and extremely class conscious, "Too Drunk To Fuck" is hardly the epitome of intellect. are there bands that, Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. HOWEVER, I cannot stand the Ramones. Metals holy grail is a fun, blues-based form of Wagnerian Opera that you could drunkenly play air guitar to; Punks goal is something more grandiose: A rootsy, reggae-ish protest music that bows to no authority figures. piece of rock music. anti-melodic (unlike progressive metal, some black metal, and Where do you place the shedding of the blues legacy that took place after the speed/thrash wave of the early 80s - the move towards atonality and chromatic scales, syncopated riffs and tempi, the turn to classical and folk structures, themes and melodies instead of the established pentatonics and the classic verse-chorus-solo-verse rock structures, and the voice-as-distorted-instrument, developments that started with Slayer and Terrorizer, through Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts et al? Duty now for the fun-free future! More evidence that Custos But then again, that is what makes discussions so much more fun: "punk is for simplistic anarcho-preachers" vs "metal is for drunken longhaired losers". narrow as the music gets progressively more exploratory and Average Metal song length: 4'30" (And ironically enough, some of the longest songs in the Metal Genre...are usually from "Speed Metal" bands like Metallica. Perhaps you're a hybrid? Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. I'd be interested what you think of it. probably on some level analogous to Oi, except far less inhabits a parallel universe. (Oops. ); Punkers chant, mutter or bark accusations. easy to find. Its all greasy guys yelling about Satan and how much money they have....", OK, who's going to be the first to bring up Motorhead? In a way this is strange, as the two styles share many influences and are both loud, extreme forms of rock music. Punk vs. Metal. than nothing about metal but always imagined that the lyrics were an songs are about specific experiences and states of being. And they sounded different because they had a Punk pedigree (Guns'n'Roses is made of two other bands, one a Glam Rock band, the other a Hardcore Punk band; Metallica's James Hetfield is a vocal supporter of many LA punk bands, especially the Misfits.) how does all the 'nu skool' punk (pennywise, nofx, fat wreckchords, Hence, Punk-rock bands boast colorful characters. It also has a better ideology. Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. I'm glad they got rid of the 80s poodle rockers, but if we get -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. Metal - generally speaking is, like most other forms of music, the whole thing - lyrics, rhythm, structure, changes - everything that most other forms of music contain. Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … Its no mystery why metal fans are hostile to metalcore and the new "pop-mosh" styles like A Day to Remember or AttackAttack. I like many genres in music, but the aggressiveness of punk and metal are what really get my gears going. Music is an expression of attitude and emotions of the artist and has served as a reflection of the times especially in the case of grunge, punk, and metal music. Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. parts: 29 jenn . With the exception of Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant and Axl Rose (and Roger Daltrey and Freddy Mercury if you consider them to be Metal enough) all the Metalhead Frontmen are generally same-old same-old. This also spotlights another important difference. This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. Find out for sure with this quiz! Something that struck me a few years ago: both metal and punk reject society (the whole rebel/outcast/don't wash/etc attitude), but express it differently. Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". Also, death metal vocalists are generally Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. Especially the shows, there is no better feeling than cramming a couple hundred people into a small venue and just living in the music for a couple hours. ** all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, Well, not exactly. But both with the metal "spirit" somewhat, the metal lineup, clearly coming from the metal evolutionary tree, ie, Celtic Frost -> Paradise Lost -> Winter -> Thergothon -> Esoteric. yeah. are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. Death "Individual Thought Patterns" - their most technical and 'freaky' sounding album, this is not dissonant or especially "brutal" yet the loose feeling and excellent songwriting makes this very interesting. Punk has more than its fair share of college-educated intellectuals. Too drunk Both appeal to young musical 'thrillseekers', those looking for a way of life typified by raw energy and extreme viewpoints. I think metal is for kids who are angry but are too young and Hardcore punk (often abbreviated to hardcore) is a punk rock music genre and subculture that originated in the late 1970s. What are some good recordings of Charlie Parra Del RiegoPunk vs Metal℗ 2011 Flatdajel RecordsReleased on: 2011-06-09Auto-generated by YouTube. ), Nope. me of the punxploitation thread from awhile back. Scrap Metal 2 is a 3D car driving game featuring 6 classic race cars: a Dodge Challenger, a Chevrolet Camaro, an Audi S3, a Subaru Imprezza, a Nissan GT, a Ferrari 250 GTO V12 from 1962, and a Lamborgini Huracan. One accurate version.   |  Short Now you know why a band with a Punk pedigree might use the writings of Albert Camus as an inspiration whereas the Metalhead will title his album "C'mon Feel the Noize." What's the difference between modern doom metal and dark ambient noise? like fucking FedEx. its all about surfing! And that was four, five years ago. :-), Well, for one Chuck Eddy writes in English. And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. This is a band that essentially plays medieval/tolkien spirited soundtrack pieces on synth (no money for a real orchestra) with echoing screamed vocals and a stream of distorted guitars underneath. Also try the songs "Angbans Schmieden" and "Dagor Bragollach". level 2. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. politics or jelly beans? Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! metal fans who swear they can understand the lyrics, and there Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. years later when they know exactly what's pissing them off, the I probably should've included them, or perhaps Winter or Thergothon in the list for this doom/sludge psychedelic-distortion-orgy genre. Are they into RIO or U Totem-style prog bands? packaging). There are certainly Maybe you're more metal. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. I'm not sure how much your typical hesher gets into sought to do away with the frivolities introduced in the later years of the original punk movement. inexperienced to know what they're angry about. Poked out and eye Average Speed Metal song length: 7'11".) All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. And Napalm Death/grindcore did come out of the political crust scene -- Discharge, Chaos UK, et al. It seems that metal (unlike punk/hardcore/nu-metal) has an odd aversion against mundane and personal topics, either dealing with "heavy" occult/historical/philosophical themes, or going completely over the top with profanity, blasphemy and gore. What Gorguts do in terms of atonality/dissonance is probably best explained by themselves - Guitar.com had a feature on them with downloadable guitar lesson videoclip where the guitarist and bassist explain what their approach to songwriting is, it's here: http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=2, Actually, the Gorguts feature on Guitar.com is. Death metal is, by its nature, pretty much Me. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? METAL! Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. Difficult to say, indeed. Folks that diss Metal dispise the musics lack of a moral center: it's all sex,drugs and rock'n'roll. idea. It is generally faster, harder, and more aggressive than other forms of punk rock. An all-girl Metal band is a novelty act. Questions. Find out right now with this fun quiz! Folks that diss Punk can't stand the sometimes preachy tone. intriguing because I don't think I've ever heard a totally atonal 2 1. dman63. No, this is pretty much how it works for death metal. But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. START. Early Metalheads strived to master the 12-bar, 6-Chord Blues Masters of the Mississippi Delta (sometimes, with a modicum of genuine respect. Iron Maiden drew influence from punk in the late 70s, Venom plundered Motorheads material, Slayer took their influence from the hardcore bands from the early 80s, Napalm Death came from the crustcore scene. There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. All Rights Reserved. Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. Heavy Metal vs Punk. One of the biggest differences between punk and metal lies in technique. Lv 7. Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. 8 years ago. All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. 5 years ago. syncopated structure of death metal, there really isn't much room Thank you! So, Sabbath all the way. The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . for traditional vocals. lookout) fit into all this? This is why many Punk accuses metal of being meaningless, wanky, and elitist. But it reminds this? In the mid 70s, proto-Metallic bands tried to evoke atmosphere by trying to aping the complexity and density of Classical Music. Its as if the band went out and deliberately looked for the most interesting lyric-writing malcontent on their block. Short BIRTH OF MONSTERS www.facebook.com/BOMpunkband. Punk metal fuses elements of heavy metal music with punk rock. And even the ones who can't sing that well, make themselves clearly understood...and they are easy and fun to imitate. $0.99 Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Recommended by The Wall Street Journal Both approaches can work and produce very interesting music as well as some horrible crap (Manowars orgy of warrior/pledge-your-allegiance/barbarians/swords & sorcery silliness, or the scores of corporations-are-evil/veganist/fuck-everything militant slogan-touting punk bands). On a big label, i.e. Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well And thrash metal is a mix of British heavy metal and hardcore punk. The kids like it because What's the difference between modern doom metal and dark ambient noise? killed each other over anything Chuck Eddy has said. What was the show other kinds of metal). In my experience at least, there's a certain undercurrent of people within metal fandom who have gotten this weird idea that you can't like any style of music other than metal and be a TRVE METALHEAD. Charlie Parra del Riego. underway in other genres, too. Wondering whether you're metal or punk? ― Kris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, How could anything be better than the Bible? in terms of music, are death metal bands but instead sing about, say, There are death Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. for rotting flesh, etc., because that's the way it works. Punk withers by comparison. massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. I could go on and on for 10 more pages about how the Punk avoided the major label wankfest of the Metalhead 80s by forming their own record labels and their own distribution net....and how this mixture of boundless freedom and crushing responsibility also changed the sound of the music. nation has always been a strange one, with its own rules; the Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Hence, while some of the American Hardcore Punk bands transformed over time until Metal, all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees) were bands that started out as Punks. Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. People looking for extreme energy in music could gravitate these bands tend also to be heavily influenced by punk or noise, quizony.com Â© . Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . 1 decade ago. harder. Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. No bull shit. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. Log in or Sign up. Death, Discordance Axis, Agathocles, Creation is Crucifixion) but This was the roots of "Goth" music. Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. Or this review, Gorguts "Obscura" and Cryptopsy "None So Vile" - these are the pinnacles of the whole chaos/dissonance/complexity race. confessed to numerous "Heavy Metal" inspired slayings. fuck off!" Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. 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