The boost last as long as Scolipede is in play. Purple bands decorate these horns, and teardrop-shaped rings of the same color mark each body segment, one on each side of its body. For example the effects from Nasty Plot, Swords Dance and Screech (if targeted at the user of Baton Pass). The current options are as follows for voters who meet the suspect requirements: Do nothing and keep the metagame as it is; Forbid the use of the move Baton Pass on more than 3 Pokémon on the same team (complex ban); Ban the combination of the move Baton Pass in conjunction with the ability Magic Bounce and the ability Speed Boost (complex ban). It was still a major controversy even with the nerf that they have it. Thread Cryonics. From there, Pokemon that do not take very much damage … Scolipede is banned in Smogon UU (it's a BL Pokemon), so this isn't really a legal pair. I will not try to pretend Baton Pass is nearly as monstrous as it was in the times of Geomancy Smeargle … I tried to make a Mega Absol moveset. It has various small purple spikes lining the segments of its upper body. However, I couldn't go to a battle because it said Mega Absol's Baton Pass is banned. 2.- Clear Smog doesn't affect users behind a Sub, which EVERY Baton Pass Team runs 3.- There are no Pokémon that run Psych Up in singles, … Type: Normal: Category: Non-Damaging: Power — Accuracy — Priority: 0: PP: 40: The user is replaced with another Pokemon in its party. Despite having a clause implemented to hinder Baton Pass Teams, there are clearly still effective teams that make use of this Strategy. While I'd like to see some sort of ban, there is one counter that a lot of people seem to not know about. Why is it banned. Scolipede latches on to its prey with the claws on its neck before slamming them into the ground and jabbing them with its claws’ toxic spikes. (Inadequate description? Plus there have been plenty of lols stealing oponents berries. Often times they run smeargle or ninjask but they do not need either of these. " To the "baton pass is absolutely terrible, smogon is totally overreaching in suspecting it" crowd: take a look at this.. Scolipede has Baton Pass and can pass Swords Dance or Agility, but with Ninjask available, using a different Bug-type Baton Passer isn't worth the trouble. I asked pokeaimmd how he would handle BP teams a while ago, and his response was: set up with ttar/volc and hope for a crit. One other move could be infestation, so if the player doesn't switch out to someone who can faint Scolipede ASAP, he'd be stuck and you can do all your boosts for the Baton Pass. Firstly, I should give more details: She has an adamant nature, and her desired move set is Megahorn or Rock Slide/Iron Defense/Baton Pass/Protect or Swords Dance . Using smogon rules a decent baton passing team might look like Scolipede- Sub, Protect, Iron Defense, BP Smeargle- Ingrain, Encore, Spore, BP Mr. Mime- Sub, Calm Mind, Encore, BP Fairy Eevee (name escapes me atm)- Sub, Calm Mind, Hyper Voice, BP Vaporeon- Sub, Acid Armor, Scald, BP Espeon- Sub, Stored Power, Calm Mind, BP IIRC, I think that's the standard BP team Shield: Scolipede engage in fierce territorial battles with Centiskorch. ... Baton Pass- … Even the top battlers have a hard time. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/baton-pass-in-sm-ou.3604290/. Generation VI. Cross Poison Power 70 Accuracy 100% PP 32 High critical hit ratio. Let us know in this forum.) Pwr. The third Smogon XY OU Suspect test has begun. Welcome to a brand new Pokemon Sun and Moon team building video where I will be building a competitive Smogon OU team based around Alolan Marowak in Pokemon Showdown! Its large, segmented body is mainly a deep ruby-red color with purple teardrop-shaped markings lining each segment from the back of its head to its backside. So here is my conundrum: What should I make as the EV spread for my Iron Defense Scolipede? Forums. Also, why didn't it show that the move was banned in team builder? Fan Fridays #339 Jose - Duration: 5:05. Later on he faced a BP team on his Road to Top 10 OU series and he managed to beat it... by counterteaming and having Haze on his Greninja. Absol. (Inadequate description? Passing a Speed boost to Pokemon such as Primal Groudon and Xerneas allows them to easily beat Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie. Cheap isn't really the right word. I remember watching pokeaim's video where his only counter was haze on greninja. inb4 people who have never been in the top tier on the ladder complain about Smogon banning stuff indescriminately because they never see Baton Pass (because it's up at the top of the ladder being better than them). He's a good survivor and passer, but very easy to get walked with this set. But what you have to account for is that of those 718, a handful are useless lc mons, ok-ish middle stage mon, and full evos that are outclassed by higher tier mons. It helps you stall out a turn and get speed boost on your first turn out. Absol. Scolipede is an enormous quadrupedal arthropod-based Pokémon that resembles a centipede. — Poison Sting: 15: 100: 35: 30: The user stabs the target with a poisonous stinger. Baton Pass teams are one of the most controversial parts of the metagame currently and this is in large part due to the strategy behind them, passing stat boosts to threatening Pokemon that can take advantage of them without many drawbacks. To the "baton pass is absolutely terrible, smogon is totally overreaching in suspecting it" crowd: take a look at this. Press J to jump to the feed. Past counters to BP teams are not as effective this generation as there are now full BP teams that can easily defeat every possible counter with all six team members. Just shows how hard it is to beat BP. This set works just like the Ninjask set, but a little slower, and a considerably larger amount of bulk, so it can Baton Pass the stat increases to the other Pokemon on your team for much longer than Ninjask. Closed Forums. Even if they aren't at his skill level, you basically have one turn to predict correctly with your lead, and hope you have a counter. Baton Pass fails if there are no other Pokémon in the user's party that can be switched in in its place. Generation V onwards The OU Council believes that Baton Pass, as a move, should be banned from the SM OU metagame. But his team has an increased amount of survivability that a team on a cartridge or a team that played by VGC rules wouldn't have. Otherwise, just pray for crits. Therefore, the OU council believes that these teams have no place in the SM OU metagame and we must do something to change this. If you don't agree, chances are you're simply not good enough at the game to have encountered a truly threatening BP team. The user is replaced with another Pokemon in its party. I think Smogon is forgetting that there are a wide variety of counters to the strategy and it's easily counterable solely because Baton Pass requires turns to set up in order to get the sweep. That would be the least disruptive to the strategy, while still making it counterable by a vast majority of Pokemon. Espeon and Scolipede's baton passes are fine on their own, its when they are tossing them around to each other its a problem. Edit: Too late to inb4 this. See one of the post why Baton Pass was moved: The OU Council believes that Baton Pass, as a move, should be banned from the SM OU metagame. It has two long, curved purple and red striped spine-like horns on top of its head, and on its rear. Let us know in this forum.) ". Speed boosted Pokemon are also usually best used as cleaners, so there's time to clear their counters anyway. Verlisify 38,592 views. Baton Pass. There is a reason why official rules only allow one of a certain item in a battle and this video is a good demonstration. Baton Pass will not change the effect of Pursuit. I feel like if Espeon (and maybe Scolipede/M-Absol) was banned, Baton Pass's viability would probably drop a fair bit. It takes battle skill and knowledge to play well, otherwise its crap. Plus there have been plenty of lols stealing oponents berries. Baton Pass. 33: Agility----30--The user relaxes and lightens its body to move faster. This Scolipede moveset can be a … Common abusers of this strategy, such as Necrozma, Magearna, and Espeon, take advantage of being passed Speed boosts from Scolipede and then set up on their own, proceeding to sweep through a significant portion of the metagame and teams that are used. Baton pass teams can have all sorts of stuff in it. Twilight_Sonata 6 years ago #4. This is why. 5:05. Scolipede has access to the always cool Pursuit, but with an average Attack and its tendency to attract Ghost-types more than scare them away, it is a mediocre user of the move. I like option 2 the best. Don't curse the darkness--light a candle! Thread … A spinner is also a good partner for Scolipede as it is weak to Stealth Rock. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Yes. 39: Steamroller: 65: 100: 20: 30: The user crushes its targets by rolling over them with its rolled-up body. He has 5 sets of leftovers on his team that boost his healing. When you Baton Pass it, the boosts transfer and will be there as long as the receiver is alive. Baton Pass Teams are one of the most Controversial parts of the metagame currently and this isin large part due to the strategy behind them, passing stat boosts to threatening Pokémon that can take advantage of them without many drawbacks. Baton Pass. Notes: This is my lead and serves my team well on most matchups. Lastly, Scolipede has access to Baton Pass and is perfectly capable of passing things such as Swords Dance, Agility, and Substitute, although Scolipede often has trouble pulling off the pass due to its frailty. Scolipede Baton Pass OP! Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Scolipede; Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an evolution of Scolipede; Click on the generation numbers at the top to see level-up moves from other generations; By TM/HM. It's a very common strategy used by Ninjask, Scolipede and Blaziken along with a Swords Dance and Speed Boost stats changes. Gamefreak just cares about the doubles meta, so at some point in future generations it'll be impossible to balance the singles metagame properly. This may also poison the target. Baton Pass causes the user to switch out for another Pokémon, passing any stat changes to the Pokémon that switches in. This set works just like the Ninjask set, but a little slower, and a considerably larger amount of bulk, so it can Baton Pass the stat increases to the other Pokemon on your team for much longer than Ninjask. Don't take that away from me. Baton Pass will also not pass the effect of Minimize causing Stomp to hit at double power nor the effect of Defense Curl causing Rollout and Ice Ball to hit at double power. I don't know about this. Ah well. If you're rated < 1500ish, you might scoff at the crappy knockoff baton pass teams you occasionally run into on ladder, but I guarantee you denissss would spank your ass 99 times out of 100 if you happened to face him. Pokemon Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire WiFi Battle! Smogon has continuously nerfed Baton Pass numerous times through complex bans via in battle clauses, but it still continues to be a force in the metagame. Man, I really don't like complex bans in OU. Checks and Counters. Source: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/baton-pass-in-sm-ou.3604290/. If it really is impossible to beat though (and mind you, I've only battled maybe one or two teams like this and have been experimenting in making my own) then just option 2 sounds reasonable enough. Welcome to a brand new Pokemon Showdown livestream video where we will be using a baton pass, sandstorm team based around Mega Garchomp in Smogon OU! See one of the post why Baton Pass was moved: The OU Council believes that Baton Pass, as a move, should be banned from the SM OU metagame. Why would you play with the garbage physical game's mon limit Gen 8 will be only be fun online through simulators, way to save everyone a purchase on the game GF How are sims even going to handle the missing monsters? Its segmented body is dark magenta, except for its smooth, dark gray underside. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Scolipede @ maranga berry Speed boost Careful Max Hp & Special D Bug bite Iron Defense Protect Baton pass Bug bite is the to keep him from being taunted out. Baton Pass--101: 40--The user switches places with a party Pokémon in waiting and passes along any stat changes. Baton Pass Accuracy — PP 64 User switches, passing stat changes and more. The selected Pokemon has the user's stat stage changes, confusion, and certain move effects transferred to it. Despite having a clause implemented to hinder Baton Pass teams, there are clearly still effective teams that make use of this strategy. No skill involved, it's pure team matchup and it needs to go. Why the Ability Arena Trap is banned in Showdown ? Cold Storage. Also, Speed Boost and Swords Dance Ninjask=fun. Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon. Baton Pass: Normal: Status — —% 40 33 Agility: Psychic: Status — —% 30 39 Steamroller: Bug: Physical: 65 100% 20 44 Toxic: Poison: Status — 90% 10 50 Rock Climb: Normal: Physical: 90 85% 20 55 Double-Edge: Normal: Physical: 120 100% 15 Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Scolipede; Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an evolution of Scolipede… It's generally agreed that Option 2 is the better of the three, I see it easily passing. Perish Song hits through Magic Bounce, and is baton passed. Its underside is black, and it has a plump, rounded belly. Despite having a clause implemented to hinder Baton Pass teams, there are clearly still effective teams that make use of this strategy. For Pokemon X on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Nature/EV Spread for Baton Pass Scolipede? Pokemon. I mean the only real threat I guess would be Espeon since it could magic bounce everything back. It becomes a definite point of no return where you're praying for the RNG to come and save the day. If you are interested in following the discussion further, or learning how to qualify for suspect tests check out the official suspect thread: http://goo.my/sus3. Want to contribute? — Defense Curl--101: 40--The user curls up to conceal weak spots and raise its Defense stat. Because at this point it seems more like denissss is good and not BP. This test is focused on nerfing full baton pass chains, as we have discovered in XY the new options available to Baton Pass users make teams where every member carries BP too centralizing at the highest level of ladder and tournament play. Ideally, Smeargle should be Baton Passed Speed boosts from a teammate such as Scolipede as it is brought in so that it can outspeed and Spore foes that would normally be faster, such as Arceus-Ground. I'm not a very skilled battler, so I haven't heard of these problems but by the sounds of it from the comments it sounds extremely cheap and a strategy that if planned well cannot be beat. The ideal matchup is against a physical attacker. What are the moves banned in Random Matchup and why? I feel like the complex ban is the way to go here. (The third option meaning BP + Magic Bounce, or BP + Speed Boost would not be allowed on any team). This centipede definitely has its uses, though, as it is blessed with one base Speed point higher than the genie Pokemon and access to fantastic spread attacks. If you ban any Espeon carrying BP and MB, you'll be left with only Mega Absol in the role, who is much frailer and takes a turn to activate Magic Bounce. And what about Taunt/Encore (especially the prankster mons)? Most people don't picture a bug/poison to be a physical wall, but Scolipede is surprisingly hard to damage. Pokemon. Say you don't have haze, or your opponent predicts the roar. Fine by me, but all of this is just revealing that Pokemon is getting less and less balanced for singles. Plus, Ingrain has almost no legitimate use otherwise. "User Info: Twilight_Sonata. The selected Pokemon has the user's stat stage changes, confusion, and certain move effects transferred to it. Sadly enough, you're a bit late with this seeing as a bunch of people complained already. It would kill your Mawile instead. I mean doesn't Haze Greninja stop BP teams? Why was the combination of using Gravity and a inaccurate sleep inducing move banned in double battles on Showdown? That extra recovery is a big part of what keeps BP teams going, allowing so much more recovery than usual. These effects are passed: Increases and decreases in Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. While this won't work on Soundproof Mr. Welcome to a Smogon OU Showdown live where we will be using a Swords Dance Scolipede team in the Sun and Moon OU tier. One issue with Baton Passing with Scolipede to a Mawile is a prediction and a Fire pokemon trying to kill Scolipede. /r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, articles, analyses, and competitive battling discussion for Pokémon VGC and Smogon. Ferrothorn is a good partner for setting up Stealth Rock and Spikes to ease Scolipede's sweep, while Scolipede also gains an opportunity to switch in on Fighting-type moves directed at Ferrothorn. Are there any good players besides denissss that use a BP team? Drop it here on Stunfisk! The selected Pokemon has the user's stat stage changes, confusion, and certain move effects transferred to it. An easy solution to this would be to ban 2 baton passers on the same thing, just like a item clause for baton pass. Baton Pass Hey look, a Scolipede set that's just like the most common Ninjask set, except without the 4x stealth rocks weakness. It is just uncounterabpe if you are good at it (mostly just denissss who believes it should be banned). This is for Absol and it's mega. Gen 5 Competitive Discussion. We encourage original content and questions for all official battle formats. Baton Pass will passing along any stat changes, in this case Speed with Speed Boost. Ignoring that though, It's pretty hard to make a baton passer useful in a two-Pokemon combo, since setting up baton pass is takes longer and can go wrong in more ways than just using agility. Unlike Megahorn, X-Scissor won't miss, but Megahorn is so much more powerful than X-Scissor that to pass up on it is almost never a good idea. Effects. Yes, Baton Pass can pass Speed increased by Speed Boost. For example the effects from Nasty Plot, Swords Dance and Screech (if targeted at the user of Baton Pass). He's a good survivor and passer, but very easy to get walked with this set. Speed Boost Scolipede is a pretty darn good option. Baton Pass causes the user to switch out for another Pokémon, passing any stat changes to the Pokémon that switches in. As you can see, Baton Pass is banned in these format, except for Anything Goes. inb4 more people complain? Mega Absol isn't exactly the best Pokemon in defensive stats. The best checks to Scolipede are generally those that do not take very much damage from its brutal STAB Megahorn. Effects. Again, the guy is very good but his team is a lot less invincible without all of that recovery. Why do so many Pokemon that know wish also know baton pass. Terrakion and physical Virizion are examples of good Baton Pass recipients, as they can ram through physical walls such as Gliscor after a boost. I don't understand that argument. 10% chance to poison. Shield: Scolipede engage in fierce territorial battles with Centiskorch. These effects are passed: Increases and decreases in Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. For Pokemon X on the 3DS, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Nature/EV Spread for Baton Pass Scolipede? Overview. And what about phazing moves like Roar/Dragon Tail? It sharply boosts the Speed stat. Not questioning the skill of Denissss. Venipede faces competition from other hazard setters such as Dwebble and Pineco, but has a niche in Speed Boost and Endeavor; however, it is not very bulky, it has a poor offensive presence, and doesn't learn Baton Pass. Pin Missile, with a little bit of luck, can hit multiple times to break Focus Sashes. At the end of one of these battles, the victor makes a meal of the loser. The success of his bp team has lead to tons of people copying it. Hitting physical opponents with a turn 1 infestation will trap them before they realize how bulky scolipede is built. Scolipede latches on to its prey with the claws on its neck before slamming them into the ground and jabbing them with its claws' toxic spikes. Scolipede is a Pokemon which has high Speed and access to Swords Dance, while being cursed by a bad typing and poor defenses. It's a great strategy but Baton Pass is definitely not without it's counters. Dark; Justified. Scolipede @ maranga berry Speed boost Careful Max Hp & Special D Bug bite Iron Defense Protect Baton pass Bug bite is the to keep him from being taunted out. Baton Pass DOES NOT have many weaknesses, in fact, is extremely hard to counter 1.- Nihilego should never run Clear Smog, is a waste of a moveslot in a Pokémon that already struggles with coverage problems even when using 4 offensive moves. I have a Smogon OU Baton Bass team on my game cartridge. I know that sounds like she's trying to do a lot, feel free to pick it apart. Home. This is especially true for those high up on the latter that have pokes with uncommon moves to check or catch certain threats to their team. PP Contest … /r/Stunfisk is your reddit source for news, articles, analyses, and competitive battling discussion for Pokémon VGC and Smogon. Mime, it's something worth considering when looking for counters. Baton pass is not banned only for Absol; no Pokemon can use Baton Pass because it is too overwhelming, that's why Smeargle is (PU), while it should be Ubers since it gets Spore and Shell Smash. When freaky aliens give you lemons, make freaky alien lemonade. 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